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I was using a hybrid of yours and Icarus' phaze-a setup/suggestions that I found in the Phaze-A post. I used Torzdf's Loss Function setup:

SSIM - main function
MAE - 25% - secondary L1 Reg Term
LPIPS-Alex 50%
FFL 100%

I loved this configuration and have been using it for the past 6 months. However, since the update, I've been getting a lot of NaNs, OOM errors, and loss of speed. I read in a recent post about how the above Loss Function setup drastically slowed down training and I confirmed a 90% slowdown on my system (I think FFL@100 is the culprit). I didn't feel like rolling back the CudaToolKit to restore previous speeds as Torzdf suggested, i'm always moving ahead! I'm looking forward to testing out your suggestion.

Thanks for this info, and thanks Faceswap team!

rbanfield82 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:46 pm

I didn't feel like rolling back the CudaToolKit to restore previous speeds as Torzdf suggested, i'm always moving ahead! I'm looking forward to testing out your suggestion.

Honestly, that's a false dichotomy. Almost definitely your NaN issues will be resolved by rolling back Cuda/cuDNN.

Basically in yours (and mine, as it happens) use case, there is all downside to being on later libs, and all upside to reverting.

rbanfield82 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 11, 2023 9:46 pm

LPIPS-Alex 50%

I don't know how you do this, i know there are papers telling about the efficiency of LPIPS, but everytime i use it always goes to ugly mosaic patterns/ strangs eyes and strange faces.
Everytime i try, in the end i keep lowering it until its off

@Ryzen1988 I'm starting to lose my love for LPIPS as well. I'm noticing the farther I go in training the more the moire pattern appears. I recently lowered it to 20 from 25 with my recent model, but on my next model I'm thinking of cutting it out completely until the no warp phase, and then add it in to see if it'll add more detail.

MaxHunter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:57 pm

@Ryzen1988 I'm starting to lose my love for LPIPS as well. I'm noticing the farther I go in training the more the moire pattern appears. I recently lowered it to 20 from 25 with my recent model, but on my next model I'm thinking of cutting it out completely until the no warp phase, and then add it in to see if it'll add more detail.

Interesting, i have not thought about this option to try it without warping, but i can't imagine this will influence the moire patterns.
But interesting idea to try when disable warp.

FWIW, I still always use LPIPS. If I can spare the VRAM, I'll use LPIPS-VGG16, it performs better, and appears to introduce less artefacting, so can run at higher values.

I don't generally get the issue that others see, it generally trains out as it goes, but LPIPS values really can't be high. I also find that artefacting appears to be more prominent the lower the output resolution.

what other loss functions do you use with LPIPS?

MaxHunter wrote: ↑Sun Aug 13, 2023 2:57 pm

@Ryzen1988 I'm starting to lose my love for LPIPS as well. I'm noticing the farther I go in training the more the moire pattern appears. I recently lowered it to 20 from 25 with my recent model, but on my next model I'm thinking of cutting it out completely until the no warp phase, and then add it in to see if it'll add more detail.

Me too ! (moire patterns problems too...)
Since my slowdown problems using LPIPS + FFL,, I use SSIM + Logcosh... and it seems to work fine.

I have noticed FFL gives a real slowdown penalty, it also bottlenecks gpu utilization it seems, dropping from mid 90% to mid 70%.